Re: Where is
From: SJC
Date: 25 Mar 2004
Time: 23:32:46


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You really want to know!! I will tell you how the afocha split. First started out as a dispute on how the then newly elected executive committee was elected; in other words, some afocha members and some from the out going committee members raised a procedural issue as to how these new committee was elected. Pay attention here… for I am getting to the genesis/origin of the divide. Like I said, objection was raised on the procedure of the election. So why, one may ask, would that be a cause to split the afocha in two, but one doesn’t have the details of what followed. It is said the devil is in the details and conversely, in this case, the details are the functions of egotistical and unrepentant individuals…sorry I have to go now but stay tuned for the details.

Telling it like it is!
From: Ignite
Date: 25 Jun 2004
Time: 18:14:16


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Why don’t you stop all the theatrical production on this forum and deal with the problems/issues where it matters the most, within your own particular Afochas. I assume your Afochas hold regular meetings, I further assume that there are people on both sides who are concerned and willing to address the issues. Given that my assumptions are correct, then you (the members) should raise these issues during these meetings and demand that your Afocha leaders work actively to address them. That is the only effective way to address your problems/issues and bring about a lasting resolution. The idea that you would solve your problems by engaging each other on this forum is an erroneous perception of reality.


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Re: Telling it like it is!
From: your community
Date: 25 Jun 2004
Time: 19:50:09


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So, you’re the igniter who ignites the ignition with out any clue. Listen up buddy, according to your comment; I had come up to the conclusion that we both belong to the same AFOCHAs. No doubt you understand what I meant by the same AFOCHAs. Let me ask you this, would you please tell me if our elected officials have taken any kind (if there is one) action since this issue has started. I doubt it. Let us ask our selves, how many of us had replied to brother Mohammed Mulat’s invitation. Remember that? If not, I advise you that you should go back and read it. That will give you a glimpse of the whole matters. All I have to say is it is easy to criticize other without knowing the core of the problem. Let’s look at our selves before pointing our fingers to some one else. Don’t you think this is the only avenue to solve our issues with out fearing one another? Let’s all fear Allah and stand up for what is right.


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Re: Telling it like it is!
From: Ignite
Date: 26 Jun 2004
Time: 17:44:10


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I believe you are missing the point. The points I was making were: 1) Hold your Afocha leaders accountable. 2) Best to address the issues within your particular Afochas first. 3) By way of this forum you would not be able to solve you problems. If you have issues with the above-mentioned three points then have your say so, all else is just a drama.


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Re: Telling it like it is!
From:
Date: 27 Jun 2004
Time: 18:34:04


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Ignite, I agree with your points 1 & 2 . But the 3rd point you made needs elaboration. What is the purpose this discussion Forum? What is it for or who is it for? Got me kind of confused! You mean never address your problems/issues or niether try to solve them here because it will be drama or Theatrical production.


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Re: Telling it like it is!
From: Ignite
Date: 27 Jun 2004
Time: 22:11:05


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When I said, "By way of this forum you would not be able to solve you problems. If you have issues with the above-mentioned three points then have your say so, all else is just a drama." what I mean is, it is not going to be fruitful. I will give you three reasons why: 1) you are making an assumption that most or all members from both Afochas are actively taking part in this forum. 2) Everyone partaking in this forum does so with good intentions. 3) The purpose of any forum is to start a conversation and then bring like-minded individuals together to accomplish the subject mater that the forum is trying to address. Since the forum started, we have not seen any useful out come so far.


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Re: Telling it like it is!
From: Harari
Date: 28 Jun 2004
Time: 14:37:05


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Ignite, for the most part, you are right. But if we use a little bit of common sense, do not you think, it is the responsibly of the leaders to act on our behalf to do the right thing? When we talk community matter, the right thing means 1, Obligation & performing according to our charter 2, Listen to the members & respond to their concern 3, Most importantly, to work towards bringing all Hararis closer. Correct me if I am wrong. We are where we are today because of these Leaders negligence of the issue. I don’t know why a very basic but vital request became complex issue! What should we do with kind of leaders (Both Afochas leaders)???


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Re: Telling it like it is!
From: Ignite
Date: 29 Jun 2004
Time: 17:41:17


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I agree it is the responsibility of the leaders to act to correct the problems facing your communities, likewise, it is equally the responsibility of the members to see to it that their leaders are held accountable in their failures and applauded in their accomplishment. I will leave you with this saying, “people are deserving of the leaders they got”


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Re: Telling it like it is!
From: Harari
Date: 01 Jul 2004
Time: 20:03:20


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Good God help us! If you (Ignite) follow the whole “drama” as you said it, do you recall all the plea and remarkable suggestions to initiate dialog were presented by many members, as their civic duty as HARARIS? Also, as you well know the leaders (both) has shunt the their responsibility and turned their face away from us. Now, honestly, if you are a truly concerned, how can you say, “People are deserving of the leaders they got” in this time and age, instead of asking for justice for all!!! Since we are all brothers and sisters, keep in mind that, our every action (good or bad) has a reciprocal effect on both sides.


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Re: Telling it like it is!
From: Ignite
Date: 05 Jul 2004
Time: 00:43:23


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To Harari, for your 01 Jul 2004 post: You said: “Now, honestly, if you are a truly concerned, how can you say, People are deserving of the leaders they got, in this time and age, instead of asking for justice for all!!!” O.K Mr./Ms. Harari, please allow me to explain! The expression: “people are deserving of the leaders they got” is meant to communicate a concept. The Concept is “You can only get out of it, what you put into it.” In other words, if you have good leadership you are deserving of it because you played a part in making sure of it. If you have bad leadership you are deserving of it as well because you played no part to ensure good leadership. The reason for my desire to communicate this concept was your Jun. 28 posting where you said: “Correct me if I am wrong. We are where we are today because of these Leaders negligence of the issue. I don’t know why a very basic but vital request became complex issue! What should we do with kind of leaders (Both Afochas leaders)??? “ Mr./Ms. Harari you ensure good leadership by being engaged in the process, by setting goals and raising expectations for your leaders and measuring their successes through fulfilled expectation and measure their failures through unfulfilled expectations. And holding them accountable for their failures and applauding their met expectations. Sitting by the sideline and complaining about their bad leadership doesn’t contribute anything toward their effectiveness but surely contributes to their ineffectiveness. Good day!!!


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Re: Telling it like it is!
From: Harari
Date: 06 Jul 2004
Time: 16:31:12


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Ignite Take it easy. I got your point. I have no intention to wasting either of my time or yours. I also agree, let us not be sideline spectators as you said; rather be a factor to contribute something good to the Bay Area Hararis.Therefore, our attention should be focused on the issue at hand,which is bringing the Two Afochas to work side by side as should have been. Thany you!


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Re: Telling it like it is!
From: Ignite
Date: 06 Jul 2004
Time: 18:14:35


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I couldn't agree more! what is required is focus on issues at hand. Thanks!!


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Re: Telling it like it is!
From: Ignite
Date: 01 Jul 2004
Time: 22:40:57


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I agree with you! but no sense in giving up, you just have to keep on keeping on, until you reach the desired outcome.


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Re: Telling it like it is!
From: Harari
Date: 02 Jul 2004
Time: 13:40:05


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Thank you Ignite, for the support and encouragement .I Believe, we all have obligation to do what is right for our community. In fact, the heaviest burden is on the shoulders of the leaders to do so. I hope you ,me and others will never rest until we see the LIGHT at end of the tunnel.


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Re: Telling it like it is!
From: your community
Date: 29 Jun 2004
Time: 16:41:20


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This is what I’m talking about! It is a very minuscule issue however no one seems to care to say this is wrong and that is right. It is very sadden that we can’t even try to solve this infinitesimal issue. I’m just bamboozled by few individuals who are still trying to defend amateurish person. To be honest with you, all the problems we have now would have already been settled down by now if those elected individuals (form both sides) had reacted to the matter quickly. I know some of us have been inflated just like a balloon and waited to be deflated. If you’re all know what I mean.


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